Croonen-Martens - Bergeijk 1740-1780

De Henricus die in 1747 trouwt met Elisabet Popeliers komt uit Steensel en Elisabeth uit Riethoven. Er lopen in die periode in die regio minimaal 3 Hendrik Croonen ( diverse schrijfwijzen) rond die met een meisje Martens trouwen.

Zie: https://rhc-eindhoven.nl/collectie?mivast=48&mizig=100&miadt=48&miview=tbl&milang=nl&misort=dt%7Casc&mibj=1720&miej=1772&mip1=cronen&mip3=hen*

Begraven Elisabet Popeliers 14-02-1786 Riethoven, weduwe van Hendrik Croonen, laat na wettige geboorte.

Doopinschrijvingen van Henricus en Henrica

Doopinschrijving Henrica Lambrechts, 04-06-1708
Plaats van inschrijving:
Bergeijk
Datering:
04-06-1708
Dopeling:

Henrica Lambrechts
Vader:

Martinus Lambrechts
Moeder:

Joanna Andries Hoemans
Getuige:

Joannes Lambrechts

Judith Cornelis van Heukelom
Doopplaats:
Bergeijk
Doopdatum:
04-06-1708
Folio:
23v
Toegangsnummer:
10225 Collectie doop-, huwelijks- en overlijdensregisters daterend van voor de invoering van de Burgerlijke Stand
Inventarisnummer:
3.4



DTB_Leende_10225_24.5 Doop-, trouw- en begraafboek Leende

Doopinschrijving Henricus Hendricx, 06-07-1703
Plaats van inschrijving:
Leende
Datering:
06-07-1703
Dopeling:

Henricus Hendricx
Vader:

Philippus Hendricx
Moeder:

Helena Martens
Getuige:

Tielmannus Martens

Petronilla Hendricx
Folio:
31
Toegangsnummer:
10225 Collectie doop-, huwelijks- en overlijdensregisters daterend van voor de invoering van de Burgerlijke Stand
Inventarisnummer:
24.5

I think Maria's suggestions are probably the best ones; but I hope we can have some discussion about connections between these two generations.

@Maria suggests that Hendrik is baptised 1703-07-06 Leende; I found these events for his parents and siblings:

All events in Leende:
1702-01-23 trouw Philippus Hendricx en Helena Martens
1703-07-06 ged Henricus - Tielmannus Martens, Petronilla Hendricx
1705-05-14 ged Petrus - no witnesses named
1707-12-30 ged Maria - Remigius Martens, Lucia Hendricx

@Maria suggests that Henrica is baptised 1708-06-04 Bergeijk; I found these events for her parents and siblings:

All events in Bergeijk:
1708-06-16 trouw Martinus Lamberts en Anneken Andries Hoemans
1708-06-04 ged tweeling Henrica - Joannes Lambrechts, Judith Cornelis van Heukelom
1708-06-04 ged tweeling Marie - Henricus Andriessen, Aleijdis Lambrechts
1710-07-22 ged Andreas - Bartolomeus Cornelis, Petronella Andriesen
1712-02-01 ged Joanna - Jacobus van Oos, Helena Driessen
1716-04-25 ged Jacoba - Joannes Hoemans, Anna Jansen
1718-01-09 ged Wilhelma - Wilhelmus Henrickx, Wilhelma Henrickx

In my initial post (above) I did not include names of witnesses at baptisms; so I include them now:

All events in Bergeijk:
1741-01-29 trouw Hendrik Philips Cronen en Hendrina Martens
1741-01-30 trouw Henricus Kroone en Henrica Lammers
1742-01-13 ged Arnoldus - Franciscus Teus, Elisabeta Kroonen
1743-02-26 ged Joannes - Arnoldus Martens, Joanna Croonen
1744-08-17 ged Margareta - Franciscus Kroonen, Joanna Andreas Martens
1747-09-03 ged Wilhelmus - Petrus Martens, Adriana Kroone
1748-10-02 ged Wilhelma - Petrus Martens, Adriana Kroonen
1750-07-29 ged Maria - Balthasar Kroonen, Wilhelma Lammers
1752-12-19 ged Philippus - Cristianus Gerits, Maria van den Dungen

At 1741 marriage; "Hendrik Philips Cronen" suggests that Hendrik is son of Philip. Surname of his bride is "Martens" and "Lammers"; it is expected that her father is probably Martinus Lamberts. Both of these connections match the baptisms suggested by @Maria.

When researching in DTB church records; I was taught these two guidelines:

A) Witnesses are most often siblings of the infant's parents (or spouse of sibling "in-law").
For the 1742-172 baptism; "Croonen" witnesses are: Elisabeth, Joanna, Franciscus, Adriana, Balthasar; "Martens" witnesses are: Arnoldus, Joanna, Petrus.
None of these names appear as siblings to Henrik born 1703 and Henrica born 1708.

B) The names of first two boys and first two girls in a family are usually named after the grandparents.
This is not the case for children of Hendrik Croonen and Henrica Martens.

I know that these two "guidelines" were not always followed exactly; but this is the first time I have come across nothing matching the guidelines.

Are the 1703/1708 baptisms suggested by Maria the best candidates for this family?

Regarding the 1703 baptism of Henricus in Leende proposed by Maria; I found this family (all events in Leende):

1733-11-30 trouw Henricus Philipsen en Anna Verspooren
1735-09-02 ged Barbara d.v. Henricus Philipsen en Anna Verspooren; getuige: Joannes Verspooren, Petronilla Weijlaers
1737-10-20 ged Philippus z.v. Henricus van Asten en Anna Verspooren; getuige: Philippus Verhoeven, Joanna Verspooren
1740-12-04 ged Helena Maria d.v. Philippus Hendericx en Anna Verspooren; getuige: Joannes Jacobs, Maria Jacobs
1744-08-21 ged Jacoba d.v. Henricus Philipsen en Anna Verspooren; getuige: Bartholomaeus Thunis, Joanna Odijnius
1747-09-18 ged Thomas z.v. Henricus Phlipsen en Anna Versporen; getuige: Fransciscus Hollaars, Maria Peters

Based on "guideline B" mentioned in my previous message; I expect parents of Henricus to be Philippus and Helena; which is true with the 1703 baptism. For "guideline A"; it seems the siblings of Henricus were not witnesses at baptisms of Henricus' children; perhaps Petrus and Maria did not survive to be adults.

Therefore we are still looking for baptism of Hendrik Philipsen Croonen. Hopefully; someone here agrees with this?